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« Reply #60 on: December 28, 2017, 04:08:42 PM »

Who are the true Jews ?

Well i'm a simple man... so i'd say for our day the true Jews started with the disciples. The first Messianic Jews.
"Jew" is the shortened form of those from the tribe of Judah.
So to me, the only hope for those calling themselves Jews in Israel today, will be when they accept Jesus.
The lion from the tribe of JUDAH.
THIS IS HAPPENING VERY FAST TODAY. Messianic Jews.

Another thing; YHWH knows the end from the beginning.
Cyrus was used because our Lord had to be born, and teach in the holy land.
1948 is the same thing , as Israel will be hit again...BUT has to exist for our Lord's return.
THEN...he rules the whole world.
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« Reply #61 on: December 29, 2017, 11:29:04 AM »

"...So to me, the only hope for those calling themselves Jews in Israel today, will be when they accept Jesus...." No true Jew will accept Jes_s.

False Prophets:
Deu 13:1 If there arise in the midst of you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and he give you a sign or a wonder,
Deu 13:2 and the sign or the wonder come to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, “Let us go after other gods” (which you have not known) “and let us serve them”;
Deu 13:3 you shall not listen to the words of that prophet, or to that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proves you, to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Deu 13:4 You shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and you shall serve him, and cling to him.
Deu 13:5 That prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death, because he has spoken rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to draw you aside out of the way which the LORD your God commanded you to walk in. So you shall put away the evil from the midst of you.
Deu 13:6 If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son, or your daughter, or the wife of your bosom, or your friend, who is as your own soul, entice you secretly, saying, “Let us go and serve other gods,” which you have not known, you, nor your fathers;
Deu 13:7 of the gods of the peoples who are around you, near to you, or far off from you, from the one end of the earth even to the other end of the earth;
Deu 13:8 you shall not consent to him, nor listen to him; neither shall your eye pity him, neither shall you spare, neither shall you conceal him:
Deu 13:9 but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first on him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
Deu 13:10 You shall stone him to death with stones, because he has sought to draw you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
Deu 13:11 All Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall not do any more such wickedness as this is in the midst of you.

Therefore, the one you call jes_s leads his followers astay from Yahveh and His instructions and is therefore a false prophet according to the Tanakh(old testament) and any/every true Jew knows the verses I have given above.
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1Th 5:4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the day should overtake you like a thief.
Joh 8:42 If God were your father, you would love me....If you love me, keep my commandments.
1Jn 2:4 One who says, “I know him,” and does not keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him
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« Reply #62 on: December 29, 2017, 05:38:49 PM »

So to me, the only hope for those calling themselves Jews in Israel today, will be when they accept Jesus...." No true Jew will accept Jes_s.

So according to you there are no messianic Jews today Huh? A large group is called "JEWS for JESUS".

Then your next heading is "false prophets" !!!

Good-by Rob... I avoid those who imply things falsely.
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« Reply #63 on: December 29, 2017, 08:54:43 PM »

Joseph Dumond has been on a newsletter series proving why Yeshua as the messiah and had to die.  It does help answer anti missionary rhetoric:

Here is this week's
https://sightedmoon.com/human-sacrifice-lev-16/
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« Reply #64 on: December 30, 2017, 03:38:45 AM »

So to me, the only hope for those calling themselves Jews in Israel today, will be when they accept Jesus...." No true Jew will accept Jes_s.

So according to you there are no messianic Jews today Huh? A large group is called "JEWS for JESUS".

Then your next heading is "false prophets" !!!

Good-by Rob... I avoid those who imply things falsely.

All true believers are called Israelites Allenbee.  I did not imply Allenbee,  scripture proves to us who and what we are.  It is no use carrying allong churchian ideas if you imply, we are to "come out of her".

ALL twelve tribes, and those joining the Nation, which includes Judah/Jews are Israelites according to scripture:..> Rom 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek...

So, you see Allenbee, I did not imply, but your Bible "implies" that there are no "messianic Jews".  It is sorry that you want to hold to your christian tradition that teaches incorrectly.

"...Good-by Rob... I avoid those who imply things falsely..."  Quite fast to jump on your horse Allenbee?  Whatever happened to your writing this...>"...We are not to argue, but rather to refine our studies as brothers, using scripture to show the way..."

"...Anyway… I believe we have to go back to our Jewish roots… BECAUSE JESUS IS A JEW...."
  Ok, then find me one(1) Jew in Israel called Jesus. You simply will not as it is an oxymoron and a lie from hell/Satan.  You will find many children in Portugal for instance, called Jesus.

And by the way, "we" former churchians never had Jewish roots.  To say you have JewISH roots, means that you believe in the Talmud of the Orthodox Jews.

Allenbee, if you can demonstrate to me that you can keep your jesus in the grave for 3days and 3nights, I will become a Christian again.

Jesus was in the grave for only 2days and 2 nights, which proves him to be the False messiah of the group they call christians.
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1Th 5:4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the day should overtake you like a thief.
Joh 8:42 If God were your father, you would love me....If you love me, keep my commandments.
1Jn 2:4 One who says, “I know him,” and does not keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him
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« Reply #65 on: December 30, 2017, 09:15:52 AM »

I think Rob is talking about the christian "Jesus" verses the scriptural "Yeshua".  The church preaches a lawless messiah while scripture shows he is a lawful one. (I don't think he's making the point clear)

But Allen is right that a real jew is one who is of messiah and all of real israel are of messiah:

2Co_5:17  Therefore, if anyone is in Messiah, he is a renewed creature – the old matters have passed away, see, all matters have become renewed!
Rom_2:29  But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of Elohim.
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« Reply #66 on: December 30, 2017, 09:50:48 AM »


But Allen is right that a real jew is one who is of messiah and all of real israel are of messiah:
 

You get the righteous Jews(believing inYeshua ) and then you get the Jews for jesus crowd(brainwashed by xtians to believe in jesus).
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1Th 5:4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the day should overtake you like a thief.
Joh 8:42 If God were your father, you would love me....If you love me, keep my commandments.
1Jn 2:4 One who says, “I know him,” and does not keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him
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