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« on: April 09, 2017, 01:33:01 PM »

I am posting this for study and discussion purposes and not to promote a particular belief.

Rev 12:1  And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2  And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3  And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4  And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5  And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Rev 12:6  And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Christian pre-tribulation rapture believers are speculating that the wonder in the heavens, written of in Revelation 12, is occurring now. It is based on a rare astrological event with the planet Jupiter (the king planet) entering the womb of Virgo on November 20, 2016 and remaining in Virgo's womb, at times undergoing a retrograde pattern, for 42 weeks until Jupiter is "delivered" from Virgo's womb on September 9th, 2017 and two weeks later, on September 23rd, the complete picture will be seen when the woman is clothed with the sun, the moon under her feet, and crowned with 12 stars. The speculation is that this event could be the rapture and/or the start of the tribulation.

Possible Revelation 12 Sign BEGINS (November 20th, 2016)
http://www.unsealed.org/2016/11/possible-revelation-12-sign-begins.html

The GREAT Sign
http://www.unsealed.org/2016/12/the-great-sign.html

The theory has been out for several years. Now it is visible to sky watchers:

Moon and Jupiter meet in Virgo
By Bruce McClure in TONIGHT | April 9, 2017
Tonight – April 9, 2017 – the almost-full waxing gibbous moon begins its monthly sweep in front of the constellation Virgo, where, it so happens, the dazzling planet Jupiter also resides. You’ll see Jupiter near the moon for the next few evenings. Jupiter is now just two days past its April 7 opposition, so it’s shining at its brightest and best for this year.
http://earthsky.org/tonight/moon-jupiter-to-convene-in-virgo

Full moon near Jupiter April 10-11
The first full moon of the season shines in front of the constellation Virgo the Maiden, turning precisely full on April 11 at 6:08 UTC. In North America, the full moon occurs tonight, or sometime between sunset April 10 and sunrise April 11. At North American time zones, the moon turns full on April 11 at 3:08 a.m. ADT, 2:08 a.m. EDT, 1:08 a.m. CDT, 12:08 a.m. MDT – and on April 10, at 11:08 p.m. PDT and 10:08 p.m. AKDT.

This year, in 2017, the full moon celebrates the change of seasons by pairing up with the dazzling planet Jupiter. Jupiter, in turn, stays in front of the constellation Virgo until November 2017. So even though the moon will leave Virgo after a few more days, Jupiter remains in the vicinity of Spica, Virgo’s brightest star, for months to come.

http://earthsky.org/?p=4464

So I thought it would be a timely study.

How To SEE The Revelation 12 Sign FORMING NOW | Jupiter Is In Gestation Awaiting Birth!
Published on Mar 28, 2017
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNRy0KIWJE0

PASSOVER 2017 - FULL MOON & JUPITER (KING) IN VIRGO (WOMEN) 4 MONTHS PREGNANT.
Published on Dec 4, 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro4AbmlRb-s&t=99s
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2017, 09:52:27 PM »

Debunked? Joel Richardson does a good job pointing out the errors in this theory:

The Underground Episode 65 : The False Sign of September 23, 2017
Joel Richardson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8qn6rvvQNw
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2017, 09:14:03 PM »

Debunked? Joel Richardson does a good job pointing out the errors in this theory:

The Underground Episode 65 : The False Sign of September 23, 2017
Joel Richardson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8qn6rvvQNw

The link above is no longer available. Here is another:

13 FEB THE UNDERGROUND EPISODE 65: THE FALSE SIGN OF SEPTEMBER 23, 2017
https://joelstrumpet.com/underground-episode-65-false-sign-september-23-2017/

More debunking here:

What The September, 2017 Revelation 12 Sign Tells Us
Tim McHyde
April 25, 2017
https://escapeallthesethings.com/sept-2017-revelation-12/


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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2017, 10:26:51 PM »

The madness continues. One rapture YouTube video has 4 million views!

Michael Heiser - What Will Happen on September 23, 2017?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl69nvCYbWI
Published on Jun 1, 2017
Paraphrasing here so you don't have to watch:
There are isn’t a single verse that tells us we should look for the same set of astronomical circumstances at were present his birth will be present at his second coming.
We are never told what the sign of the Son of Man is.
We are told no one knows the day or the hour, so we probably should not look for a specific day that can be tracked with astronomy.

The RAPTURE IS September 23, 2017 Tribulation Starts!
Zachary Bauer
Published on Jul 17, 2017
Brace yourselves. The rapture might be upon us as it a number of ministries have proclaimed the tribulation is about to start.

Hey listen, I'm all about paying attention to what is going on around us. I just don't think a bunch of guys pushing DVDs and books are going to get credit for predicting the time of Jacob's trouble. But, I've been wrong before.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HisoMaIpNY

Bauer has a way with words, paraphrasing here:
I have seen these ministries...they are all about selling…they have made themselves into whores. …they are selling the word.
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2017, 12:39:32 AM »

"....We are never told what the sign of the Son of Man is....."

Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

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1Th 5:4 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that the day should overtake you like a thief.
Joh 8:42 If God were your father, you would love me....If you love me, keep my commandments.
1Jn 2:4 One who says, “I know him,” and does not keep his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him
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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2017, 08:10:39 PM »

"....We are never told what the sign of the Son of Man is....."

Mat 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

 Kiss

Sorry about going off topic here, but I recently listened to this teaching by Tony Robinson and this is a good place to mention it. Excellent!

The Sign of the Messiah Part I (Proving From the Tanakh That Yeshua is the Messiah)
Published on Jan 3, 2013
This series of videos shows beyond a shadow of doubt that Yeshua of Nazareth is the promised Messiah of Israel and that His life, mission and great work of resurrection in three days were prophesied of in the Tanakh. You will learn that of all the aspects of the Messiah's life and mission, His resurrection in three days is the most prophesied event in the Torah and in the rest of the Tanakh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlkT8wvH1UE&t=1094s

The Sign of the Messiah Part II (Proving From the Tanakh That Yeshua is the Messiah)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFfnjdNSGxY&t=63s

The Sign of the Messiah Part III (Proving From the Tanakh That Yeshua is the Messiah)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aof3ZiNUQY

The Sign of the Messiah Part IV (Proving From the Tanakh That Yeshua is the Messiah)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dTrXLMToBo



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