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 on: Today at 11:30:16 AM 
Started by Masters - Last post by Masters
http://movie2017.streaming.usmoviefullhd.com/full-movie/458721/in-our-hands-the-battle-for-jerusalem-movie-stream/

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 on: May 22, 2017, 08:33:38 AM 
Started by dumbrod - Last post by Rob
Scripture teaches 2 things to use to know a false prophet
#1 If they prophesize of something and it does not come true
#2 If they are using prophesy to lead you away from Elohim.


Hmnn.  I would add "...If they prophesy of something and it does come true but lead you away from Elohim..."

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 on: May 21, 2017, 10:27:43 PM 
Started by James1:27 - Last post by dumbrod
I wasn't trying to promote everything this guy teaches by any means, I'm only using his one article to show there are more viewpoints out there on Is 66:8 than the zionist one.  When read in context I think this guy lines up closer in his article than those promoting a faithless or repentless return despite how many torah teachers proclaim it.  We can't take verses out of context and proclaim them fulfilled.  That chapter sounds more like events in the "Day of YHVH"

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 on: May 21, 2017, 09:58:29 PM 
Started by James1:27 - Last post by James1:27
We could discredit about everyone if tried hard enough including those in our own belief.  Most will read talmud and what-not without blinking an eye and think they are spiritually enlightened by blind guides. 

The author of the article was not a replacement theologist if you looked further at his other articles.  He was saying the church (what we would call the kahol) was founded at shavuot with the outpouring of the spirit.  I'm not sure if I agree, but this does make some sense.  The word "nation" in verse 8 has other meanings which is most often translated "people".  If this is the correct usage, then I can see this fitting. 

Again, what fits most in the passage is at the return of the Messiah these fulfillments take place. 


He is a full preterist.
He believes Revelation has been fulfilled: “Dive into a chapter-by-chapter study of how the book of Revelation was fulfilled in the first century AD.”
He writes: “The Beast of Revelation Was Zealot-Led Israel.”
He does believe in Replacement Theology. Here is a quote from his article “Who Are God’s Chosen People and Why Are They Chosen?”
“The people of Israel were to make known the path to eternal life (faith in the coming Messiah) to the nations surrounding them, but this often did not happen. The kingdom was eventually taken away from faithless Israel, as Jesus prophesied (Matthew 21:43, cf. Matt. 22:1-14), and given to “a people producing its fruits” (clearly the Church, those who belong to Christ and are indwelt by the Holy Spirit who enables us to produce spiritual fruit).”
https://adammaarschalk.com

My intent is not to discredit someone by pointing out their theological beliefs. It is to consider the validity of their position. Personally, I value Torah based teachings over others.



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 on: May 21, 2017, 06:49:22 PM 
Started by James1:27 - Last post by dumbrod
We could discredit about everyone if tried hard enough including those in our own belief.  Most will read talmud and what-not without blinking an eye and think they are spiritually enlightened by blind guides. 

The author of the article was not a replacement theologist if you looked further at his other articles.  He was saying the church (what we would call the kahol) was founded at shavuot with the outpouring of the spirit.  I'm not sure if I agree, but this does make some sense.  The word "nation" in verse 8 has other meanings which is most often translated "people".  If this is the correct usage, then I can see this fitting. 

Again, what fits most in the passage is at the return of the Messiah these fulfillments take place. 

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 on: May 21, 2017, 01:47:04 PM 
Started by James1:27 - Last post by James1:27
Isa 66:8  “Who has heard the like of this? Who has seen the like of these? Is a land brought forth in one day? Is a nation born at once? For as soon as Tsiyon laboured, she gave birth to her children.
Isa 66:12  For thus said יהוה, “See, I am extending peace to her like a river, and the esteem of the gentiles like a flowing stream. And you shall feed; you shall be carried on the side, and be fondled on her knees.

If this first verse was fulfilled in 1948, then why wasn't the next one?  There are several interpretations of this scripture which differ from common state of israel fulfillment explanation.  Below is a good article of one of these which equates it to new Jerusalem.  If you read the whole of chapter 66 then the nation state doesn't quite seem to fit and more refers to the second coming when the true return takes place.

https://adammaarschalk.com/2014/04/18/galatians-4-shows-that-isaiah-66-is-not-about-modern-israel/

Did you read the article you linked?

He says that Isa 66:8 refers to the formation of the Christian church, that the Christian nation was formed on the day of Pentecost, and that Gal 4 proves this:

“Ironically, Isaiah 66 does not speak of the restoration of earthly Jerusalem into the hands of mostly unbelieving Jews in 1948. Rather, it mirrors the taking away of the earthly kingdom from unfaithful Israel (in 70 AD), and the giving of the heavenly kingdom to God’s holy nation, the Church, just as Jesus predicted (Matthew 21:43-44; cf. Daniel 7:18, 22, 27). It speaks of the establishment of the new Jerusalem for the bride of Christ, and the dissolving of the old covenant in favor of the new covenant (which was established at the cross). This is the point of both Isaiah and Paul.”

Christians? Most Christians I know eat pork. I guess he didn’t read what Isa 66:17 says about pig eaters:

Isa 66:16  For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
Isa 66:17  They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

Consumed by fire. Yikes.

Or what Isa 65:4 says about pig eaters:
 
Isa 65:3  A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
Isa 65:4  Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
Isa 65:5  Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.

They provoke Him. To His face.

Most Christians I know don't follow Torah and they worship on Sunday. What does scripture say about these people?

Pro 28:9  He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

Their prayers an abomination. He does not hear them.

Delusional replacement theology.


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 on: May 20, 2017, 08:20:49 PM 
Started by James1:27 - Last post by dumbrod
Isa 66:8  “Who has heard the like of this? Who has seen the like of these? Is a land brought forth in one day? Is a nation born at once? For as soon as Tsiyon laboured, she gave birth to her children.
Isa 66:12  For thus said יהוה, “See, I am extending peace to her like a river, and the esteem of the gentiles like a flowing stream. And you shall feed; you shall be carried on the side, and be fondled on her knees.

If this first verse was fulfilled in 1948, then why wasn't the next one?  There are several interpretations of this scripture which differ from common state of israel fulfillment explanation.  Below is a good article of one of these which equates it to new Jerusalem.  If you read the whole of chapter 66 then the nation state doesn't quite seem to fit and more refers to the second coming when the true return takes place.

https://adammaarschalk.com/2014/04/18/galatians-4-shows-that-isaiah-66-is-not-about-modern-israel/

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 on: May 20, 2017, 08:10:06 PM 
Started by dumbrod - Last post by James1:27

If a prophet was in your midst, how would you know whether he speaks the truth? Lets look at scripture to see what their message was and see if you hear it:


Teaching and advice from Steve Bergson:

False Prophets: Anti-Christ Identification made easy- Steve Berkson on NYSTV
Published on Nov 9, 2016
False prophets and wolves in sheep's clothing have taken over the church. How do we discern these so called pastors, preachers, and teachers. How do we know who the Anti-Christ will be?

Tonight on NYSTV we have Steve Berkson from MTOI will be joining us to discuss his insight into end times and false teachings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP5HqpRKOHs&t=2580s

Jon Pounders, John Hall, and Steve Berkson talk about how to identify a false prophet. The first 10 minutes is introducing Steve Berkson, so if you are pressed for time you can skip ahead. I will share my notes for those who don’t have YouTube:

Jon Pounders: How do we know who is a false prophet?
Bergson: There have always been false prophets; there were false prophets and anti-Christs even at the time of Messiah. Deuteronomy 13 tells us that a false prophet is one who will lead you away from the Creator and His instructions.

If you don’t have a sound grounding you will not identify the false among the truth. Make sure your foundation is true. Use a lexicon to be sure of the language. Second, you have to vet the teacher. Does the teacher have the training?  Many teachers come from Christianity and even if they are labeled Messianic or HRM their doctrine still comes from their original church background. Ask what their background is and how long they have been teaching. It takes a long time to unlearn and relearn.

Jon Pounders: Are false prophets evil sheep in wolves clothing or just ignorant? 
Berkson: They are not false on purpose; they are just not well educated. They take things out of context. Context tells you ‘who is speaking, who they are speaking to, and what they are speaking about’. You can’t look at a verse; you have to look the context.

For example, Hebrews was written for the Hebrews at the time of destruction of the Temple. They were surrounded by the Roman armies and were afraid. The letter was written to encourage them that if the Levites and the Temple are destroyed, the High Priest of Melchezidek still exists.  The letter does not teach that the Levites would be replaced with Melchezidek as many teach. Melchezidek has always existed along side the Levites.

Berkson: Look for 2-3 witnesses teaching the same things.  Make sure the teaching comes from the Tanakh. Yeshua taught from the Tanakh. 

John Hall: Speaking of context. There are 2 teachers in the Torah movement are saying that the Melchezidek line means we no longer have to follow “Thus says Yahweh”.

Berkson: “I don’t have any problem telling you that it is Dave Parry and Matt Nolan.”  He calls them out “not to attack them” but to warn that you have to “watch out for those guys”. “If you like them okay” “but we need to know their names”.  “The problem with them is that they are flat out wrong”. The reason they are attractive to some is because they give a “reason to do less Torah”. This is “Christian like” because Christianity does the same thing. “They are teaching on a misunderstanding of Hebrews and Galatians” and they are popular because they are “attractive to people who want to be minimalists. I teach people who want to be maximalists.” 

38:00
Berkson: Melchezidek means “Righteous King”. It is a title, an order. It is not a person. Yeshua is not Melchezidek. He is the High Priest in the order of Melchezidek. It is one who teaches the Torah and disciples. Moses did this. The 70 who got the anointing by Moses were in this order. The Melchezidek have always been with us. The role of the Levites is Temple service, not in teaching and discipling. There is no need for Temple service now. This is not what is taught and it is confusing people.

41:30 “All this talk of this ‘Book of The Law’ verses ‘Book of the Covenant’ la la la nonsense” is all an excuse to break Torah.  “I would be scared to buy into this stuff.”

John Hall: I am not a teacher. So I don't want to talk about them on that level. You are a Rabbi so you have the authority to speak against this. It is a dangerous teaching and I am seeing it almost everywhere. I am glad you spoke to it.
Berkson: Speaking out against teachers like these is not lashon hara. Lashon hara is speaking evil to do harm and to do slander. There is a difference between judging others and judgement. You are given the right to use judgment or discernment.  You don’t have to judge the person. You are given the right to be a watchman and warn others.

46:50
Berkson: For those of you who have a platform, you should not use your platform “for people who you know are a mess”. Because “your audience does not know, all they know is that you are endorsing them and bringing them on”.
 
Berkson: “All those teachers that were wrong about the blood moon should be dropped like a hot potato” because they were fomenting fear and they were wrong. They are false prophets.

Scripture teaches 2 things to use to know a false prophet
#1 If they prophesize of something and it does not come true
#2 If they are using prophesy to lead you away from Elohim.

Berkson: But what if you like what this teacher or that teacher teaches about this or that? “You can turn on any Sunday preacher who will say something sometime that may be right but that does not mean you should listen to him.”

John Hall: How to confront a false teacher?
Berkson: Not your job. It is your job to avoid them and to not give them a platform for their teachings.



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 on: May 20, 2017, 05:16:29 PM 
Started by Masters - Last post by Masters
Leviticus 27


…5'If it be from five years even to twenty years old then your valuation for the male shall be twenty shekels and for the female ten shekels. 6But if they are from a month even up to five years old, then your valuation shall be five shekels of silver for the male, and for the female your valuation shall be three shekels of silver. 7If they are from sixty years old and upward, if it is a male, then your valuation shall be fifteen shekels, and for the female ten shekels.

Reading today ... My son's comment, Mom you would get a senior discount   Tongue

 10 
 on: May 20, 2017, 05:02:50 PM 
Started by James1:27 - Last post by James1:27

Myself and my wife have found a "new" teacher on WTZ which we ABSOLUTELY love and his name is Steve Berkson.  After many many years we find Steve to be dishing out "meat".

And he does not mince with words, he says it like it should be said !  He is a true Prophet(one who speaks our Fathers Word with authority) , a truly anointed appointed !


Thanks again, Rob. I listened to a program today in which he was a guest. Excellent. I will post a summary and a link about it in under “scripture studies”. 


I also am a Steve Berkson fan.  I found him on Hebrew Nation Radio and he really can cut to the truth of things.


I agree. He is very truthful and does not mince words at all.

This year an interview came out with Jacob Rothschild about the balfour declaration and their involvement in it.  The video is at the end of the article:

http://yournewswire.com/lord-rothschild-israel/

I found this article very informative:
In Defense of Israel
“This was written in response to Matthew Nolan’s Toldot parsha teaching that he used as a platform to demonize Israel. “

http://www.hezekiyahhaas.com/uploads/3/0/0/1/3001861/_____________________________________jfy_response_to_nolans_toldot_teaching_against_israel_website_version_final_7-24-2014.pdf

The author discusses how Elohim uses secular and often evil forces as His puppets in bringing about His will.

He also points out prophecies about the Land that have been fulfilled since the state of Israel was formed:
The nation would be born in a day, and it was.
The Jews would return to the Land from the dispersion, from the North and then the South, and they did. First the Europeans and Russian Jews in the North, and then the Ethiopian Jews in the South returned.
Jews would be in the Land without a king and without a prophet, and they are.
When the Jews returned, the desert would blossom. It has.   
When the Jews returned, a land barren of trees would have forest. It has.
The land would be fertile and abundant. It is. Israel is a major food supplier for all of Europe.
When the Jews returned, the mountains would drip with sweet wine. It has. The mountains in Galilee and Carmel are covered with vineyards and wineries.
A pure language of Hebrew would be restored to the people. It has.
That the shekel would be restored, and it has.
That all but 3 cities would be rebuilt and be given their original names. They have.
The 3 cities that Yeshua said would not be rebuilt (Bethsaida, Chorazin, and Capernaum) have not been rebuilt.
Jerusalem would become a burdensome stone. It has.

The abundance of the land after the formation of the state of Israel:
Made in Israel: Agriculture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxxYmn3HpDU

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